The Arrest of Matt Lepacek, and the MILGRAM EXPERIMENT

People, ordinary people like you and I, can and will do, horrible things when they are "just following orders". The danger of the fallout of people "just following orders" is magnified exponentially when those "following orders" have guns strapped on their hip, handcuffs on the back of their belt, a star on their uniform, and are operating "under color of law".

People sometimes point to the horrors inflicted on people by the Third Reich in World War II, by Nazi soldiers and henchmen of Hitler , and during the Nuremburg trials, they said they were "just following orders", but the sad but true truth is, you don't have to be a sadistic monster in order to do horrible injustices to your fellow citizens. All you have to be is someone who has a job, or is part of something that has a chain of command, and someone in authority who tells you to do it. It happens in corporations, and yes, even in police departments. If a cop is told to arrest and rough up a reporter like Lepacek, it certainly can happen.

For proof of this, just look at the Milgram Experiment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
"The Milgram experiment was a seminal series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]

The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised the experiments to answer this question: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"[3] Or, put another way, why were there so many "Good Germans"?

Milgram summed things up in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing:

The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[4]"

Milgram's obedience experiment was replicated by other researchers since then, and has interstudy applicability and authentication.
http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm


"Stanley Milgram answered the call to this problem by performing a series of studies on the Obedience to Authority. Milgram's work began at Harvard where he was working towards his Ph.D. The experiments on which his initial research was based were done at Yale from 1961-1962.

In response to a newspaper ad offering $4.50 for one hour's work, an individual turns up to take part in a Psychology experiment investigating memory and learning. He is introduced to a stern looking experimenter in a white coat and a rather pleasant and friendly co-subject. The experimenter explains that the experiment will look into the role of punishment in learning, and that one will be the "teacher" and one will be the "learner." Lots are drawn to determine roles, and it is decided that the individual who answered the ad will become the "teacher."

Your co-subject is taken to a room where he is strapped in a chair to prevent movement and an electrode is placed on his arm. Next, the "teacher" is taken to an adjoining room which contains a generator. The "teacher" is instructed to read a list of two word pairs and ask the "learner" to read them back. If the "learner" gets the answer correct, then they move on to the next word. If the answer is incorrect, the "teacher" is supposed to shock the "learner" starting at 15 volts.

The generator has 30 switches in 15 volt increments, each is labeled with a voltage ranging from 15 up to 450 volts. Each switch also has a rating, ranging from "slight shock" to "danger: severe shock". The final two switches are labeled "XXX". The "teacher" automatically is supposed to increase the shock each time the "learner" misses a word in the list. Although the "teacher" thought that he/she was administering shocks to the "learner", the "learner" is actually a student or an actor who is never actually harmed. (The drawing of lots was rigged, so that the actor would always end up as the "learner.")

At times, the worried "teachers" questioned the experimenter, asking who was responsible for any harmful effects resulting from shocking the learner at such a high level. Upon receiving the answer that the experimenter assumed full responsibility, teachers seemed to accept the response and continue shocking, even though some were obviously extremely uncomfortable in doing so.

Today the field of psychology would deem this study highly unethical but, it revealed some extremely important findings. The theory that only the most severe monsters on the sadistic fringe of society would submit to such cruelty is disclaimed. Findings show that, "two-thirds of this studies participants fall into the category of ‘obedient' subjects, and that they represent ordinary people drawn from the working, managerial, and professional classes (Obedience to Authority)." Ultimately 65% of all of the "teachers" punished the "learners" to the maximum 450 volts. No subject stopped before reaching 300 volts!

Milgram also conducted several follow-up experiments to determine what might change the likelihood of maximum shock delivery. In one condition, the touch-proximity condition, the teacher was required to hold the hand of the learner on a "shock plate" in order to give him shocks above 150 volts.

The most amazing thing to note from this follow-up experiment is that 32% of the subjects in the proximity-touch condition held the hand of the learner on the shock plate while administering shocks in excess of 400 volts! Further experiments showed that teachers were less obedient when the experimenter communicated with them via the telephone versus in person, and males were just as likely to be obedient as females, although females tended to be more nervous."
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So, will people do horrible things, even up to and including perceived homicide under the "just following orders" scenario ? Yes. Is it possible for security guards, police, secret service, and others, to violate people's first amendment and civil rights pursuant to being told to do so by someone perceived to be in authority?
Yes, it is possible.

BUSH AND HIS EARPIECE

You might think I would talk about Bush and his "mouthpiece", as lawyers are often called, but I just wanted to share a little picture to show that, the voices Bush hears may not be from God, but more from Karl Rove (who may BE Bush's god). Notice the picture WITH THE EAR PIECE and without the ear piece. The ear piece is pinker and lighter in color than the surrounding skin.

We don't usually see Rudy from the side during these debates, so it may be that Too Much Rouge Rudy, is wearing a wire too.

NOSFERGIULIANI

I don't know, but they look like those "twins separated at birth" pictures.

Rudy tends to bend forward, hands together, in the typical Nosferatu, the undead posture, and he always has that slimy grin. Very odd if you ask me. Also, God intervened to shut his mike during the debates.

Others have noticed the similar appearance between Nosferatu and Giuliani.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1007604

" Fred Thompson bears an uncanny resemblance to the Creature from the Black Lagoon
Some people have been struck by Giuliani's resemblance to Nosferatu. I say: That's nothing compared to the similarity between Fred Thompson and the Creature from the Black Lagoon. "

Also
http://www.airamerica.com/maddow/node/2623
"Home » blogs » krislopresto's blog
TODAY'S SHOW: WEDNESDAY JUNE 6TH 2007
by krislopresto on June 6, 2007 - 5:22pm.
...Also on the show will be Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone Contributor to discuss the Republican Debates and Nosferatu himself, Rudy Giuliani."

Do "Too Much Rouge" Giuliani's Own Kids Hate Him?

http://wonkette.com/politics/rudy-giuliani/giulianis-kids-hate-him-too-241627.php
"Republican primary voters were thrilled to learn Rudy Giuliani’s kids hate him as much as his many ex-wives, because what self-respecting GOP voter doesn’t despise his loathsome children and wives? The ex-New York mayor and neo-fascist, famous for standing around after terrorists crashed planes into New York buildings, is suddenly the super front-runner."

http://polidics.com/category/presidential-candidates/rudy-giuliani/
"Giuliani - “Lying, so easy a caveman could do it!”
It couldn’t be more clear how Rudy Giuliani has repeatedly lied to the public about what really happened 9-11. Here we have the entire N.Y. Fire dept saying hes a liar and yet Giuliani pushes forward claiming to be a hero when nothing could be further from the truth.
I guess for the current administration and supporters like Rudy Giuliani lying is a way of life and will be until Americans call him and the current administration on their absurd lies. Let’s not forget that even though we have a republican president that the democratic side aside from a very few (of which Hillary and obama are not part of) are calling people out on the things that really matter to all of us. His kids wont talk to him, his ex-wives hate him, the NYFD calls him a crook and liar, he has to pay for his debate audience applaud him and were supposed to believe this guy?"

RUDY GIULIANI REFUSED TO ANSWER THE DON'T ASK DON'T TELL QUESTION

RUDY WOULD NOT ANSWER THE DON'T ASK DON'T TELL QUESTION AT THE DEBATE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE...MAYBE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO ASK AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO TELL...SEE VIDEO BELOW FROM YOUTUBE OF GIULIANI !

God to Rudy: Tread carefully

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/06/god_to_rudy_tre.html

Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Catholic, was just answering a question about his support for abortion rights, and the harsh criticism that position has drawn from a Rhode Island bishop. Then lightning struck right as he began, cutting off his mike. Moderator Wolf Blitzer of CNN reassured the candidates that it was merely lightning, but those next to Giuliani on stage moved away from him anyway.

"As someone who went to parochial schools all his life, this is a very frightening thing," Giuliani joked, before reiterating his position that he believes abortion is wrong but that the government shouldn't impose that view on women.

The lightning continues, but so far Rudy is still standing.

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Laughing or not, you will notice that John McCain physically distanced himself
from that mincing prancing crossdressing Giuliani, and even Giuliani made a statement
indicating he was aware folks were backing away from him, both literally and metaphorically.

Lightning zaps Giuliani's remarks on abortion, Catholics

" Manchester, New Hampshire - Was it a sign from above?
Lightning zapped remarks by Republican presidential contender and former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani during a debate Tuesday night, just as he began defending his pro-choice stand on abortion rights against criticism by a Roman Catholic bishop.
'I guess I'm here by myself,' Giuliani quipped after a loud buzz momentarily interrupted the sound system. He turned around, then looked skyward as the audience broke out laughing.
'For someone who went to parochial schools all his life, this is a very frightening thing that's happening right now,' he said.
Debate host Wolf Blitzer of Cable News Network (CNN) reassured Giuliani, an Italian-American, that the disturbance was caused by lightning from a thunderstorm near St Anselm's College, a Catholic university that hosted the debate in the northeastern state of New Hampshire.
Giuliani, on stage with nine other hopefuls for the centre-right nomination, went on to defend his position that abortion should be a woman's choice - a controversial stand in his mostly conservative party.
'My view on abortion is that it's wrong,' he said, 'but that ultimately government should not be enforcing that decision on a woman.' "

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I don't think God likes that yapping, ambulance chasing, crossdressing, scum Giuliani.
Lightning censoring your speech on live TV is God's way of saying
SHUT THE F*CK UP !

REPUBLICAN DEBATE - THEY WERE AFRAID TO LET RON PAUL SPEAK

One thing was crystal clear. The Republicans were afraid,very afraid. Afraid of who?
They were afraid of the 800 pound gorilla in the match, Dr. Ron Paul, the only Republican on the stage with the huevos to speak truth to power.

One notices that Catcher's Mitt Romney, and "Too Much Rouge" Rudy Giuliani, got the lion's share of questions. And, this was REINFORCED by the fact that "L.A." Larry King, the talk show meister for the network on which the debate was held, IMMEDIATELY after the debate, ONLY brought on Too Much Rouge Rudy, and Catcher's Mitt (and I mean "cather" the way you think I mean probably) to talk. He didn't bring on Dr. Paul, Tancredo, or any of the others. WHY? He didn't even bring on John McCain.

At every opportunity that Dr. Paul WAS given, he made great sense. And, to show how much they were avoiding him, on two questions that, as a doctor, he is uniquely equipped to address, those on health care, they completely ignored him.

So, folks, you and I, average American citizens, are being railroaded as the GOP tries to hide the only really truthful, candidate that appeals to independents, liberals, libertarians, democrats, and republicans.

WE MUST TURN UP THE HEAT. CONTINUE TAKING OVER THE NET...CONTINUE HAMMERING THE MEDIA...SHOW ABC, MSNBC, CNN, FOX, AND THE REST, THAT YOU CANNOT IGNORE THE AVERAGE VOTER. YOU CANNOT PAINT OVER THE BEST CANDIDATE.

RON PAUL IS RIGHT.

RON PAUL ROCKS.

VOTE RON PAUL !

REPUBLICAN PRIMARY DEBATE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE

There was so much fertilizer (bullsh*t) coming out of the mouths of those Repubs, I was sure grass was going to spring up from the stage.

In general, Wolf and the rest tried to avoid giving Ron Paul any serious questions and giving him the time to properly answer any given to him.

One thing I particularly got sick of , was watching that lisping crossdresser, "Too Much Rouge" Rudy Giuliani, keep yapping and yapping and yapping.

One thing though, as I watched him prance around on stage with his bright red silk tie, I kept thinking about that video of him with Donald Trump nuzzling him, with Giuliani dressed in drag, complete with lipstick and way too much rouge, and I kept returning to the question that his prancing and yapping kept bringing to mind...

IS RUDY GIULIANI GAY? In fact, that seems to make a reasonable alliteration...
Gay Giuliani. We know Giuliani is divorced, and that the divorce raised a scandal in New York.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/21/politics/main512992.shtml

AP) Former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's estranged wife has filed for divorce, citing adultery.

The filing by Donna Hanover, 52, came more than a year and a half after Giuliani filed to divorce her, citing cruel and inhuman treatment.

Hanover's lawyer, Helene Brezinsky, said her client rejected the grounds on which Giuliani's divorce was based.

"If there's going to be a divorce, let's have the truth about why — Rudy's open and notorious adultery," she said.

Giuliani spokeswoman Sunny Mindel replied: "There is no purpose in responding to this mudslinging."

IS "TOO MUCH ROUGE" RUDY GIULIANI ...GAY?

Dr. Ron Paul is a big hit on Real Time with Bill Maher

On the last REAL TIME with Bill Maher before the summer break, Dr. Ron Paul was a guest, and was an unprecedented success as a Republican on a liberally slanted show.

Ben Affleck tried to act as if Dr. Paul had no chance of being nominated, instead, picking as his choice, Mitt Romney. The very pro Dr. Paul audience would have none of this defeatist talk, and made VERY clear that Dr. Paul was THEIR choice, as millions will soon be indicating to the GOP.

Dr. Paul is in a TOTALLY unique position, in that he appeals to true Republicans (not the NeoCons and TheoCons who are destroying the party), to Democrats wanting to bring back personal rights and get us out of the war, and fiscal responsibility, and to Libertarians. As a man in my 50s, I have never before seen ONE candidate able to appeal to Repubs, Demos, Independents, AND libertarians.

RON PAUL IS RIGHT!

The Country is Ailing...we need a DOCTOR, not a crossdressing multimillionaire

Our Country is AILING, we need a Doctor, like Dr. Ron Paul, not a crossdressing multimillionaire like Rudy "Too Much Rouge" Giuliani!